SPA3102 calling/bridging options from/to VOIP/PSTN

Discussion in 'Cisco/Linksys (Sipura) Support Forum' started by mph070770, Sep 1, 2011.

  1. mph070770 New Member

    Hi all, I wonder if you can help me.

    I have a SPA3102 (and a Zoom 5801 for that matter) and want to do the following:

    1. When I receive a VOIP call, I would like my VOIP clients and analog home phones to ring at the same time - allowing me to choose which "client" I use to answer the call (my analog phone, my PC or my smartphone running a VOIP app). This is handles by the ATA ok and is working.

    2. I also want to be able to do the same for PSTN calls. If I receive a PSTN call, I would like the home phones to ring but also for the SPA to bridge the PSTN call to my SIP account whilst keeping the analog phones ringing. This would allow me to answer the call using the same set of "clients" as (1) above.

    I can't seem to make this work. Zoom support have effectively said their box can't do this (it can forward PSTN to VOIP by auto-answering and then bridging the call but that's all. When it auto answers, the analog phones dont ring). Is it possible on the SPA?

    I naively thought this would be a common requirement for many people - irrespectively of the origin of the call (PSTN or VOIP), that the same group of clients ring.

    I'd appreciate any help anyone can give on this.

    Thanks.
  2. hwittenb Expert Member

    Some voip providers can give you simultaneous ringing of different voip accounts or sub-accounts on an incoming call to a number with them. Voip.ms is one provider that will do it, CallCentric thru its CallTreatments will also do it. Google Voice will do something similiar.

    The analog phones at your house are typically all cabled on the same analog circuit or else they are cordless phones communicating with a single base unit. They all ring when your pstn line rings. If you have the same pstn line cabled to the SPA3102, you could setup the SPA3102 to bridge the incoming pstn line call to an outgoing call from one voip account to another where the second account has the capability to simultaneously ring additional voip accounts. The SPA3102, by default, is setup to not take the PSTN line off hook until the outgoing voip call answers. This isn't the normal way the adapter is setup and it is done with multiple voip accounts thru a voip provider or pbx that can ring other phone numbers simultaneously.

    The new OBi110 adapter has some simultaneous ringing capabilities.
  3. mph070770 New Member

    Hi hwittenb, thanks for your reply.

    I get most of what you're saying but I have a few issues:

    1. I'm in the UK and would like to use Sipgate. I don't think they provide simultaneous ringing.

    I can change to another provide but, right now, the bigger issue is:

    2. I can get PSTN to VOIP bridging working but, only whereby the SPA auto-answers the PSTN call and then expects me to enter another number to call on VOIP. When the SPA auto answers, the analog (i.e. house) phone stops ringing.

    Q: How do I keep the house phone ringing but get the SPA to bridge the call to VOIP simultaneously?
    Q: Where do I define what second VOIP account the SPA should call?
    Q: Could you provide some example configuration?
    Q: Is there a more suitable ATA/HW solution given my requirement?

    I can see that I'm trying to the same as Polar requested in 2008!
    http://forum.voxilla.com/cisco-link...aneous-ringing-of-phone-w0-spa3102-28535.html

    Thanks
  4. hwittenb Expert Member

    You setup the PSTN Caller Default DP (dial plan) to automatically dial an outgoing call (while the phone is ringing). A dial plan such as (S0<:1234567890>) will dial the number 1234567890.

    You also need the default setting Off Hook While Calling Voip: No

    The pstn-to-voip gateway will, by default, use the voip account that you configure on the PSTN Line Tab. You could also use a voip account that you configure on one of the gateways on the Line 1 Tab if you specify number@gwn where n is the gateway configuration number. On the PSTN Line tab you can configure Make Call Without Reg: Yes if you do not wish to have the account Register that you have setup on the PSTN Line Tab.

    I believe you can configure the OBihai Technology OBi110 ATA for simultaneous ringing of inbound calls.
  5. mph070770 New Member

    Hi hwittenb,

    Thanks again for your help. I have it all working now (easy when you know how!). Incoming PSTN calls ring my SIP client on my iPhone as well as the house phones and either can pick up the call - great!

    Thanks for taking the time to help.

    Regards
  6. hwittenb Expert Member

    Thanks for letting us know you got it working.
  7. mrtec New Member

    Although the topic is quite old ( just a little bit lol:p) I am wondering.
    If doing that as per example : (S0<:1234567890)
    Will it be possible to do pstn to voip >> pin >> then outgoing call?
    (thinking but not sure if im righT) as long as the call does not get answered by picking up the phone it will work that way?


    By the way, any way to call from sip(x-lite) to sip ( on spa ) then use voip to pstn? or even pstn to voip?

    Many Thanks!

    p.s. this forum has helped me a lot really! even though i dont actually ask a lot.
  8. hwittenb Expert Member

    I think so, I'm not setup to test it now. Usually you setup incoming pstn call forwarding without entering a pin.

    The easiest way is to setup two voip accounts, one on the PSTN Line Tab, one on XLite and call from one to the other. You could get two free CallCentric accounts, or setup two subaccounts at voip.ms, or register two extensions at pbxes.
  9. mrtec New Member

    the idea is

    incoming >> Rings physical Phone attached to SPA PLUS Directs the call to Xlite

    Question: does it ring more than 1 xlite accounts? ( gotta test but i doubt )

    Also apparently it does not give me an opportunity to have Voip to Pstn or Pstn to voip connections.

    as for the second question....
    I was looking to have a SIP to SIP incoming connected to a VOIP outgoing.
    but the only real way I see that happening is a call to the PSTN line connected to the SPA then VOIP Out.
    Can see a incoming to the VOIP then outgoing Voip too.

    for the record and simplicity my setup is :

    Line 1 :

    Incoming Sipgate with a Local Landline Number
    Outgoing Voipcheap through the gateways

    PSTN:

    Nothing registered ( I ve tried having a Second Sipgate acc registering there but not possible , SPA only handles one Voip incoming? )

    so is the following possible?

    Sip to Sip(SPA) to PSTN ( would this be saying the same as Voip to Voip to pstn? )
    Sip to Sip(SPA) to Voip

    I might be VERY VERY confused and confusing too! so I apologize
  10. hwittenb Expert Member

    An incoming pstn call can ring the phone attached to the SPA3102 and then if not answered, ring a distant voip phone. Not at the same time.

    I don't understand the question.

    The SPA3102 can not bridge one voip call with another voip call. You can do this with the OBihai OBi100 or OBi110.
  11. mrtec New Member

    It Actually Rings both the Phone attached and a distant voip ( thru the default Dial plan in PSTN tab.

    While that Happens ( at the moment ) I can not actually get it past to a bridge of Pstn to voip ( more important feature but im still testing it anyways)

    Now I also understand why I dont get the distant Voip phone to ring if im calling the sipgate on Line1:D ( it does if I call the PSTN )

    Thanks for the Answers!:D


    p.s. It all be sorted out if I have SJphone with Several Voip Accounts on. but thats beyond the Learning Curve im interested on xD