No account yet? Create one
Forgot your Username or Password?

Welcome to the Voxilla VoIP Forum.

Voxilla has been a trusted source for accurate, up-to-date information on the IP Communications industry since 2002. A dedicated staff of reporters and engineers produce feature articles and product reviews to keep industry watchers abreast of the people, companies, and trends driving a fast moving market.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.





Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old June 12th, 2006, 03:48 AM
Dr.Buster's Avatar
Dr.Buster Dr.Buster is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 30
Dr.Buster
Default ATA with multiple incoming-outgoing lines/providers?

Linksys SPA9000 Linksys SPA9000 PBX
A full-featured key system/PBX hybrid with 4 or more Linksys business phones (upgradable to 16).
Price: $299.95
Its looks like I need already ATA with at list 3 INCOMING providers (maybe 4-5 much better) …
Could somebody give me advice what ATA is available on the market with this options?

For example, like “FRITZ!Box Fon ata” (Germany: http://www.avm.de/en/Produkte/FRITZB...ndex.js.html## ) it could be perfect for me (up to 10 outgoing-incoming provider with 2 FXS analog ports), but this ATA supports only (?) CE requirements (?) and I’m not sure that it will work fine in US with US phones. BTW, I like SPA1001, but never used it. I like this ATA because it has 2 providers on 1 FXS, but unfortunately not 10 like “Fritz” …

So, here is a dilemma: buy SPA1001 (and I have APA3000) or purchase “Fritze” with possible adaptation problems in US (I shell buy US power adapter also). I really like this “Fritz” … but ...

Do anybody know ATA something like “Fritz” but with US complies?

In my opinion the best ATA could be SPA3000, but with a lot incoming-outgoing sophtware GW-s (like SPA1001, but not with only 2 lines instead with multiple software lines). Unfortunately I do not know ATA like this … :cry:

Thank you for your help!

Best regards,
Mike
__________________
Dr. VoIP :-) Buster
(Presently I’m in USA, NY.)
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
  #2 (permalink)  
Old June 12th, 2006, 08:03 AM
Vegetus Vegetus is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Rome, Italy.
Posts: 4
Vegetus
Send a message via ICQ to Vegetus
Default

I'm European and I have a FRITZ! Box Fon Wireless at home.
The new version, the 7050 has 3 FXS ports and 1 PSTN (ISDN or analg ports via a special adapter included in the box).
I really don't know if it will work in the USA but:

- Germany ADSL is Annex B
- Italian ADSL is Annex A

Please, check what kind of ADSL are available in your Country. If it is A or B, befor to buy the device.
Moreover... forget the configurations you are used to with the FRITZ! because it is as simple as a toy for children.

- User name
- Password
- Proxy server

Forget about dial plans, forget to use it like a Sipura 3000, for example.

A little hint for you: Why don't you look here: http://voxalot.com in order to use that service like a PBX?
Or, better than all, why don't you use a spare PC with Asterisk@home for example?
If you aren't a Linux user then there are a lot of Linux based PBX out there for more or less the street price of the FRITZ!
In Italy a Linux PBX with the VoIP module, IVR and so on is sold for 199 Euro and the FRITZ! 7050 is sold at 190 Euro.

Have a nice day.

Alessandro D'Arpini - vegetus.net
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
  #3 (permalink)  
Old June 12th, 2006, 11:57 PM
hwittenb hwittenb is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: California
Posts: 1,717
hwittenb is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

Quote:
up to 10 outgoing-incoming provider with 2 FXS analog ports
As Vegetus says, you are a candidate for an Asterisk pbx box. You can use a spare pc or buy one on EBay for $100-150 or so. Get Asterisk@Home which is now called Trixbox. Read NerdVittles' web page on how to install it.
http://nerdvittles.com/index.php?p=137

If you want to get a feel for what it can do, signup for i-p-tel.com's free offering https://pbx.i-p-tel.com/config.php
Setup an extension with your ata and setup several outgoing providers.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
  #4 (permalink)  
Old June 13th, 2006, 06:26 AM
Dr.Buster's Avatar
Dr.Buster Dr.Buster is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 30
Dr.Buster
Default

O, this is very-very interesting … Thank you both for this valuable information!
To better understanding what I need:
Usually I and my family live in two countries: USA and Hungary (sometimes not often in other countries also). Because of this half of my family is “here” and half “there”. We desperately need reliable, constant and cheap communications. Off course this is possible by using computers and internet, but for to do this we all must run computers all the time and constantly be in place where computer is. This is not OK for us. We need telephone connections.
I have SPA3000 with only one incoming-outgoing line/provider (Hungarian). Also there are two outgoing only providers on GW1, 2. I have also 2 providers from US with unlimited world calling plans, but I do not have more lines on my Sipura3000 for incoming calls. Now I’m in US and this is not a problem because I have landline phone and can accept incoming calls within US. People from Hungary can call me on my incoming-outgoing line on SPA3000. So, now I really do not have problems, yet.
I’m planning to leave SPA3000 in US as this is.
Shortly I‘ll go to EU and Hungary for a few months (maybe longer). What should I do/buy for my travel and stay in EU and Hungary? This is necessary to have 2, but better 3 incoming-outgoing lines on my ATA (for my US providers). Unfortunately this is not possible with SPA3000 (only 1 in-out line) and SPA1001 (2 in-out lines only). This is my problem.
I thought that perhaps FRITZ!Box Fon ata with 10 incoming-outgoing software lines could resolve my problem. I do not need FRITZ!Box Fon with DSL modem and I’ll not have problems with different DSL types. I need the ATA (not modem) with multiple lines and FRITZ!Box Fon ATA do not have DSL modem (good!). There is router I really do not need, but this is not a problem. I’m afraid not of problems with DSL types, but with telephone parameters (US vs. EU).
Possible my problem solution is IPPBX, but unfortunately I’m not familiar with. If you could kindly recommend me it will be very helpful.

What options do I have? (This is not about money, but about reliability and usefulness)

1) Get two more SPA3000?
I do not like to much this option: 2 boxes and I’ll get 2 in-out lines only, but nice because of remote access to services.

2) Get a SPA1001?
Nice solution maybe? But again only 2 in-out lines.

3) Get FRITZ!Box Fon ATA?
I like this idea (10 in/out lines and easy setup – all in one box), but telephony parameters (US vs. EU) … Perhaps the best solution?

4) IPPBX? Is this really resolving my problems? I do not know (I’m not familiar with this)… could this option be best for me? Do I understanding correctly how is this works? SPA3000 or SPA1001 getting one extension and I’ll be able to use my 2 American and my Hungarian in-out lines via PBX on www.i-p-tel.com (I think it will be enough for me to use a free account because I need basic functions only: calling to USA and Hungary and receiving incoming calls from this countries). Should I buy more one ATA (SPA3000 or SPA1001)? Am I right? Is this will work for me? Is this difficult to setup everything?

5) Spare PC, asterisk (big boxes)?
Big boxes and I’m not familiar with setup … I think this is not for travel (???).

Tank you both very much again!
Please help me in my choice. I will be really thankful for your advice.
Sorry for long story … but now you know all my problems and fears.

Best regards,
Michael
__________________
Dr. VoIP :-) Buster
(Presently I’m in USA, NY.)
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
  #5 (permalink)  
Old June 13th, 2006, 08:55 AM
stufried stufried is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 60
stufried
Default

I'm in your situation. I have two homes on different continents. I have I have split the lines using ipbxes (now PBXes.com). I went for the outsourced server because my house sitter in the US is computer illiterate and I didn't want the Asterisk box running in Asia becasue the internet connection wasn't good enough. I had good trace routes to the PBXes.com from both countries which gave me good connections in both.

I have not hooked up my Sipura 30xx yet. I'm picking it up next week and will report back. I think I would generally prefer a DID over a Sipura 3000 to an offsite box where possible. It just strikes me as more things that can go wrong, particularly in limited bandwith situations. Since no one offers DIDs in the U-A-E, I don't have a choice. Hungarian DIDs, however are plentiful.

Because PBXes.com connection is directly addressable, you can also carry a softphone on a laptop to use your minutes. I would suggest getting a little overflow capacity with Voicepulse Connect prepaid account. It is auto recharge, has good rates, and works wonderfully with Asterisks. It will stop the all circuits are busy issue.

Lastly, signup for a Freeworld Dial account. With Sipbroker, you'll get free dialins to your ASterisk box in a good chunk of the EU and USA. If you are travelling with a prepaid SIM, you now have a great virtual calling card.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Old June 13th, 2006, 08:55 AM
  #6 (permalink)  
Old June 13th, 2006, 04:14 PM
Dr.Buster's Avatar
Dr.Buster Dr.Buster is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 30
Dr.Buster
Default

Dear Stufried,
Tank you very much. I’m looking forward to get more news, advices and updates from you.
__________________
Dr. VoIP :-) Buster
(Presently I’m in USA, NY.)
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
  #7 (permalink)  
Old June 13th, 2006, 05:06 PM
jcgalvezv's Avatar
jcgalvezv jcgalvezv is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: San Salvador, El Salvador, Central America
Posts: 1,025
jcgalvezv
Default

Dr. Buster.

You could consider using a Linksys WRTSL54GS router with OpenWRT and Asterisk. You could have several VoIP accounts, several extensions, IVR, voicemail (email VoiceMail), etc. The only thing you could not do in this small device with asterisk is transcoding, somthing you can handle with proper configuration.

Juan C.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
  #8 (permalink)  
Old June 14th, 2006, 06:24 AM
hwittenb hwittenb is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: California
Posts: 1,717
hwittenb is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Buster
IPPBX? Do I understanding correctly how is this works? SPA3000 or SPA1001 getting one extension and I’ll be able to use my 2 American and my Hungarian in-out lines via PBX on www.i-p-tel.com Should I buy more one ATA (SPA3000 or SPA1001)? Am I right? Is this will work for me? Is this difficult to setup everything?
If you want to try pbxes.com (i-p-tel.com) it is easy to setup a SPA1001 (or SPA3000 if you prefer) as an "extension". As Stufried suggested you could also have a softphone (sjphone, xlite, etc) on a laptop or pc as an extension. You can have any number of extensions.

You setup each of your provider accounts as a separate "trunk". You can have as many "trunks" as you need.

You then setup outbound routing for dialed calls from your extensions so that if, for instance, you preference a call with a 9 the call goes on trunk 1, preference a call with 8 and the call goes on trunk 2, etc, or you can makeup rules based on the number dialed. If you have more than one extension, you can also call between "extensions" if you wish.

You setup inbound routing for calls coming into the pbx depending on the trunk the call comes in on. You set a destination such as a specific extension, a number of extensions (ring group), voicemail, or you can give dialtone to the call and the caller can dial out (dialthru). You could have a U.S. DID answered by the pbx, have the trunk setup for dialthru, and then dial a number thru your provider in Hungary. This would allow you to call the U.S. number and in effect receive a dialtone for making a call in Hungary. You could do the same thing for a Hungarian DID.

To get started, setup a single ata and a single outgoing provider and get that combination working. Then add a 2d provider, etc. You would need to make sure each of your providers will interface properly with pbxes.com. The last I checked the "free" Finarea companies (Voipstunt, SipDiscount, VoipBuster, etc) wouldn't work, but looking at the pbxes.com forum, maybe they are working again. Providers that will work include SipGate, SipPhone, Voxee, Freedigits, FWD (FreeWorldDialup), VBuzzer, LesNet, Teliax, Voxbone and I'm sure many more.

This all will also give you a taste of what you could do with your own asterisk system, but it is easier to setup than your own asterisk system.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
  #9 (permalink)  
Old June 14th, 2006, 03:00 PM
stufried stufried is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 60
stufried
Default

There is a post on DSL Reports suggesting that they are now blocking most Asterisk boxes from Finerra. The free calls that Finerra gives away are cheap connections anyway. I'm not sure that they are particularly worth the cat and mouse game necessary to keep their connection up. I have it working right now on my box by relaying the connection, but they won't be happy about it and will take me down. When that happens, I will walk with my feet.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
  #10 (permalink)  
Old June 14th, 2006, 03:49 PM
rizsher rizsher is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,093
rizsher
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vegetus
I'm European and I have a FRITZ! Box Fon Wireless at home.
The new version, the 7050 has 3 FXS ports and 1 PSTN (ISDN or analg ports via a special adapter included in the box).
I really don't know if it will work in the USA but:
Alessandro D'Arpini - vegetus.net
Alessandro,

Can you please tell me how does the Fritzbox interact with the PSTN network... as in...VoIP-PSTN Forwarding and PSTN-VoIP bridging...

1) is it possible to get authenticated by CallerID when calling in the PSTN Line to make VoIP calls?...

2) Is it possible to forward VoIP calls via the PSNT line?.

3) Is there a dialplan feature (similar to the SPAs from Sipura) to choose different outgoing providers?.

4) Anyother observations...your expereince with the device.... ease of use...quality of sound... the Bandwidth management feature etc

Thanks.
Riz
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Old June 14th, 2006, 03:49 PM
Linksys SPA3102-NA (Unlocked)
Includes VoIP/PSTN gateway, FXO/FXS ports, and router.
Sale Price: $76.95
Closed Thread


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:



Similar Threads for: ATA with multiple incoming-outgoing lines/providers?
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Multiple 'lines' mlutter Asterisk Support Forum 2 April 13th, 2006 08:09 AM
Multiple Lines, Line Busy/Outgoing Selection sryan2k1 Asterisk Support Forum 1 March 1st, 2006 04:31 PM
Multiple Outgoing, Multiple Incoming. Any Sipuras do this? scope Linksys (Sipura) VoIP Support Forum 28 November 8th, 2005 02:27 PM
SPA 2000 multiple outgoing providers from same line syedamerali Linksys (Sipura) VoIP Support Forum 1 February 22nd, 2005 06:48 AM
Multiple Lines? marco General VoIP Discussion 1 November 15th, 2004 06:01 AM


Advertise Here

All times are GMT. The time now is 09:12 PM.


vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. SEO by vBSEO 3.0.0 ©2007, Crawlability, Inc. Logos and trademarks are the property of Voxilla or their respective owner. All other content © 2003-2007 by Voxilla, Inc.