cool voip thingy

[rawdesire]

Hi

I have a ipura 3000

I have great thing to share with my voip buddies

i Bought a conference phone from panasonic for 80 us dollars

1 line is connected to the pstn and on to voip sipura

it means both the lines on telepone i dial pstn or i dial voip

then i make confercence! calls!

If u r smart u know what i mean u guys can make great money!

this idea is for u all free enjoy!

always sharE knowlege!

OK THE BOTTOM LINE TAKE UNLIMITED CALLING PLAN TO AUSTRALIA

IN THE USA IF I HAVE ANY AUSTRALIAN FRIEND CALL ON THEIR LAND LINE AND CALL ON THE AUSTRALAIAN NUMBER THEUY BOTH ARE CONECTRED THROGH THE CONERENCE PHONE AND CHARGE THEM !

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MY FUTURE WEBSITE WILL BE WWW.XVOIPX.COM

YOU GUYS CAN MAKE LOADS OF MONEY PER HOUR WITH THIS IDEA!

GOOD LUCK! ENJOY!

[DracoFelis]

Originally Posted by rawdesire

Hi

I have a ipura 3000

So do I. With all the options that adapter has, it's a nice one to "play with".

Originally Posted by rawdesire

I have great thing to share with my voip buddies

i Bought a conference phone from panasonic for 80 us dollars

1 line is connected to the pstn and on to voip sipura

it means both the lines on telepone i dial pstn or i dial voip

then i make confercence! calls!

So you can hook up a 2-line (office/conference) phone to a normal telco POTS line, and a VoIP adapter? No offence, but this sounds like "old news" to me (and I'm sure a lot of people).

I have been doing this sort of thing for around 3 years now (first with Vonage, then with Packet8, and now with my own BYOD setup on a Sipura SPA-3000). Heck, I even have my house wiring setup, so that my legacy telco line is wired as "Line 1" in the house, and my VoIP adapter is wired as "Line 2". So our family even has multiple phones that all see this house as just having 2 lines (it's just that the "Line 2" is a lot cheaper to use, and can call a lot more places, than are legacy telco line).

Originally Posted by rawdesire

If u r smart u know what i mean u guys can make great money!

this idea is for u all free enjoy!

By a conference phone? I can see how you could easily/cheaply setup conference calls (and this could save you money, if you were already going to make these calls). But how does this make you money?

About the only way I think it could make you money (as opposed to saving you money, if you were already going to call to those locations), is if you resell the service. However, many VoIP services specifically prohibit "reselling" in their "terms of service" (and I think some countries even make it a criminal offence to resell telco services without the proper licensing/fees).

But let's assume that you somehow found an "unlimited service" that allow reselling (a chore in and of itself). Even in that case, why would you use an office phone to setup the connection? Wouldn't your time to setup the connection manually be worth something? And what about billing? If you really want to setup a phone business, and you have phone suppliers that allow reselling, than you still need to have some sort of automated system, to make the effort "worth while".

IMHO this means you would want to use something like the * PBX (for a small telco business), instead of a simple office phone...

Originally Posted by rawdesire

OK THE BOTTOM LINE TAKE UNLIMITED CALLING PLAN TO AUSTRALIA

IN THE USA IF I HAVE ANY AUSTRALIAN FRIEND CALL ON THEIR LAND LINE AND CALL ON THE AUSTRALAIAN NUMBER THEUY BOTH ARE CONECTRED THROGH THE CONERENCE PHONE AND CHARGE THEM !

In theory (assumes you can properly setup the adpaters, both of you have enough internet bandwidth, the SIP ports are not blocked by ISPs, there isn't any telco laws in either country making this setup illegal, etc), it would only take a pair of Sipura SPA-3000's (aprox $100/each, from this web site) to allow two friends (in different countries) to call out on each other's (local) telco lines (not to mention calling each other, over the internet, "for free").

This could be a nice money saver, but how does the "charging" come into play? You do realize that such an arrangement wouldn't have any "billing" built in, don't you? You do realize that using an "unlimited residential" line for commercial reselling/gain is likely at least a violation of the phone line's contract (and may in some countries be a criminal offence)? And even if you managed to get around the above hurdles, this arrangement doesn't exactly "scale up" well (to additional people talking "at the same time") now does it? I still don't see how it makes money.

Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, so don't take my comments about telco law as legal advice. However, it is my understanding as a "lay person", that in some countries, such issues can (at least in theory) get you into serious trouble with the authorities...

[rawdesire]

Originally Posted by DracoFelis

So do I. With all the options that adapter has, it's a nice one to "play with".

So you can hook up a 2-line (office/conference) phone to a normal telco POTS line, and a VoIP adapter? No offence, but this sounds like "old news" to me (and I'm sure a lot of people).

I have been doing this sort of thing for around 3 years now (first with Vonage, then with Packet8, and now with my own BYOD setup on a Sipura SPA-3000). Heck, I even have my house wiring setup, so that my legacy telco line is wired as "Line 1" in the house, and my VoIP adapter is wired as "Line 2". So our family even has multiple phones that all see this house as just having 2 lines (it's just that the "Line 2" is a lot cheaper to use, and can call a lot more places, than are legacy telco line).

By a conference phone? I can see how you could easily/cheaply setup conference calls (and this could save you money, if you were already going to make these calls). But how does this make you money?

About the only way I think it could make you money (as opposed to saving you money, if you were already going to call to those locations), is if you resell the service. However, many VoIP services specifically prohibit "reselling" in their "terms of service" (and I think some countries even make it a criminal offence to resell telco services without the proper licensing/fees).

But let's assume that you somehow found an "unlimited service" that allow reselling (a chore in and of itself). Even in that case, why would you use an office phone to setup the connection? Wouldn't your time to setup the connection manually be worth something? And what about billing? If you really want to setup a phone business, and you have phone suppliers that allow reselling, than you still need to have some sort of automated system, to make the effort "worth while".

IMHO this means you would want to use something like the * PBX (for a small telco business), instead of a simple office phone...

In theory (assumes you can properly setup the adpaters, both of you have enough internet bandwidth, the SIP ports are not blocked by ISPs, there isn't any telco laws in either country making this setup illegal, etc), it would only take a pair of Sipura SPA-3000's (aprox $100/each, from this web site) to allow two friends (in different countries) to call out on each other's (local) telco lines (not to mention calling each other, over the internet, "for free").

This could be a nice money saver, but how does the "charging" come into play? You do realize that such an arrangement wouldn't have any "billing" built in, don't you? You do realize that using an "unlimited residential" line for commercial reselling/gain is likely at least a violation of the phone line's contract (and may in some countries be a criminal offence)? And even if you managed to get around the above hurdles, this arrangement doesn't exactly "scale up" well (to additional people talking "at the same time") now does it? I still don't see how it makes money.

Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, so don't take my comments about telco law as legal advice. However, it is my understanding as a "lay person", that in some countries, such issues can (at least in theory) get you into serious trouble with the authorities...

hi buddy!

its simple if i have unlimited plan to usa and many of ma friends dont know the service of voip! all i have to do is they call me on my local number i will charge them lets say 25 cents per min! and do the conference calls! how will the voip provider know that i am misuing their service ok i spoke to couple of providers they said no proble unlimited means unlimited no matter how u call and where u call all they want is their money!

yeah authorities will have a poblem! if u do it publicly but if u have a group of relatives and close friends! from which u can earn 50 dollars a day on 1 line! that not bad I guess u dont need the service but i really appreciate your advise this advise is really useful for the people who have a sipura 3000 and till now!dont know how to use pstn to voip!

just think bro how cool is this many people dont know about it! thanks!

[DracoFelis]

Originally Posted by rawdesire

its simple if i have unlimited plan to usa and many of ma friends dont know the service of voip! all i have to do is they call me on my local number i will charge them lets say 25 cents per min! and do the conference calls!

So you are planning to make money off the ignorance of your "friends" (which could easily sign up for their own VoIP account, if they simply knew that was an option)?

Some "friend" you would be...

Originally Posted by rawdesire

how will the voip provider know that i am misuing their service

Let me count the ways:

1) Simply having too many calls (more than many families would normally use), will likely alert the provider's anti-fraud department that something may be up (and an "investigation" is likely in order). Now in some cases this is "legit" (some households really are "chatty", and "unlimited" really means a business has to "suck it up" when this happens), but "high traffic" will almost certainly trigger an "investigation" at a telephone provider (to see if it really is a chatty family, or if it's fraudulent abuse of the phone service)!

2) The company can easily review your "calling patterns" (since you are going though their service, and therefor they have a full log of all your call times/locations), and see that the calling patterns don't make sense for an individual. For example, shorter calls to many different numbers are usually an indication of business phone useage (residential users generally call only a few numbers, for longer periods of time).

3) They could get approval from the authorities to "tap" your line (which is very easy to do from a technical standpoint), as part of a (criminal) investigation. The conversations on the line, will most likely make it very obvious that the service is being used fraudulently (being resold for gain).

4) And finally, if any of your "customers" blabs in the wrong place, this could get back to either the authories or the VoIP company...

Originally Posted by rawdesire

ok i spoke to couple of providers they said no proble unlimited means unlimited no matter how u call and where u call all they want is their money!

"Unlimited phone" is like an "all you can eat buffet". It's all YOU can eat, not all you can sneak out the back door. Selling parts of YOUR "unlimited" service is likely to be considered FRAUD.

Originally Posted by rawdesire

yeah authorities will have a poblem! if u do it publicly but if u have a group of relatives and close friends!

So you are saying if you keep it small and "under the radar" (i.e. keep it to petty theft/fraud), you are likely to get away with it? You may be right, as it's not always "worth it" for the authorities to go after "small fry". But do understand that's a dangious game, and you never know how much illegitimate activity is "too much" (and likely will get you in trouble).

NOTE: I'm all for saving money by LEGIT use of VoIP (that's why I have VoIP wired directly into my house wiring)! But I just don't think it's necessary to "cross the line" into fraudulent use of VoIP! Furthermore, I think such "abuses" of "unlimited" VoIP accounts are a bit like "insurance fraud". It may seem like "a victomless crime", but it really raises everyone's rates to make up for these losses. And why should I be paying extra for my VoIP service, so that people like you can fraudulently abuse your "unlimited" phone service?